The Bible vs History

The first Bible, or compilation of texts was authored toward the end of the 4th century ad. There are since 95 translations of the Bible.   Of those 19 predate the 1900’s.   The first complete compiled English translation of the Bible was created in 1388 AD, Wycliff’s Bible. It was widely censored and criticized by Henry IV and the Catholic Church for being heretical given it was not authorized and commissioned specifically by the King and the Church.   There are two versions of the Wycliff Bible, the first translated from the Latin by Wycliff as a literal word for word was later considered rigid. The second version written by John Purvey was said to be more coherent as it gave interpretation to words.

At the time of Wycliff’s writing, a peasants revolt was brewing against the English Parliament and the wealthier classes. Having access to an English Bible was deemed to be core to the revolt given only the Church could know what the Bible said.   A power tool.   The Archbishop of Canterbury was able to stop the rebellion by claiming that Wycliff was a heretic and banned by the Church and subsequently called for all his books to be burned.

Each subsequent translation was considered the correct and inerrant one and today churches tend to favor one or two translations for their usage.   But are these multiple translations the same? Logically, if they were there would have been no need for a subsequent translation, therefore it is fair to say that each version was modified to support a changed society, a specific view, and/or an ideology that may have altered.

Within that context ancient history has been either ignored or scrapped entirely when considering a translation and instead modern society values, rules, and customs have superseded.

For example; the term ’homosexual’ was first coined in the mid to late 1800’s and wasn’t inserted into the Bible until 1952 with the Revised Standard Version,   specifically, in reference to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah which takes place roughly 2000 BC. For reference, Noah and the flood were believed to have occurred sometime around 2350 BC.

As the story goes, after conversing with Abraham, 2 messengers were sent to these villages to find good men. These villages were under Elamite rule and were subjugated to Elam and the five kings who ruled along the Jordan River. The people had fallen into dire wickedness including; incest, rape, prostitution, greed, sloven behavior, adultery, orgies, arrogance, cruelty, lack of hospitality, unrighteousness and bestiality. Sodomy was defined as a form of rape imposed on both genders to leverage power over another not unlike what is perpetrated in rape cultures today.

Sexuality in terms of marriage did not yet exist in the manner we define today.   People had no purpose, no reason, there were no books, and wickedness seemed to consume like a black cloud descending over them.   And they succumbed.

When the messengers came to Lot, Abraham’s nephew, and asked for him to present 10 good people he could not.   When the en of the Sodom beat on Lot’s door demanding the messengers, strangers, reveal themselves, Lot offered his 2 virgin daughters as replacement. The men didn’t want the young girls and so were blinded by God so they could not escape the fate that would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, leave the land worthless for all eternity, and kill all inhabitants – men, women and children.

Simultaneously, another civilization existed on the island of Crete, the Minoans, who flourished from 2700 to 1100 BC when they were ultimately slaughtered by the Mycenaeans, the first Greeks.

On Crete they flourished in over 100 cities including Knossos which has a history dating from 7000 BC.

By comparison to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Minoans had indoor plumbing, architecture, military infrastructure, irrigation systems, trade, writing, art and agriculture. The also held the first ‘Games’ which were later adopted by the Romans.   Their Linear A language still can not be deciphered despite advanced computer technology.   Gender equality was the norm and there is evidence that both matriarchal and patriarchal rulers existed.

These two diametrically opposed civilizations were roughly 600 miles apart across the Mediterranean.   The Minoans thrived for about 1600 years and yet they are never mentioned in the Old Testament.   In the New Testament after the Mycenaean Greeks took over the island they are mentioned by Titus after as evil beasts and lazy glutons.

But isn’t it fascinating that an entire civilization that existed for 1600 years and was clearly quite modern and rich in art, culture, trade and wealth lived in near proximity to chaos and Biblical wickedness.   The notion that women have always been treated as chattel can clearly be seen to be a variant of ‘where’ and by what civilization.

It would also seem that these variants may have been misinterpreted in Bible translations and a history created to fit a narrow narrative more closely aligned to the rise of British monarchies and the Papal power of rule and order.   Certainly, Lot offering his teen virgin daughters as fare to be raped and assaulted to protect the Messengers is wicked as well.

9 thoughts on “The Bible vs History

  1. Okay, one more… this one cross posted to my own blog…

    About the “Literal Translation”. I’m not sure this is a specific version you’re referring to, but the subject requires some understanding.

    A word-for-word literal translation of each word in the original tongue to another tongue would usually be almost nonsensical. A word in isolation from its context even within the sentence can have any number of meanings. Look up any word in an Unabridged English dictionary and you’ll find an average of probably six or seven different meanings. The word “context” in the Bible can mean the phrase, the sentence, the passage, the chapter, the book, or the Bible as a whole. That last consideration takes on major importance in considering differences in the biggest doctrinal differences too.

    Usually when you read about some “literal” translation, usually the meaning is better expressed with the word “formal equivalence”. Roughly that means as close to literal as possible, but accounting for differing grammatical structures and sometimes nuances of meaning in the use of a word. Creationist Russ Humphreys, in discussing the Creation week in his book, Starlight and Time, uses the word “straightforward” as the best way to understand Genesis One, for example, but I think that would be a good way to express the King James Bible translation philosophy.

    But then BASED ON WHAT copy of the scriptures are you going to translate “literally”? The Alexandrian Greek copies of the NT have a lot more disagreement among themselves than each disagrees with the Textus Receptus group of copies, which agree closely with each other. The most common version of the Greek used for modern translations is the Nestle-Alland version, but it’s based on the corrupted Alexandrian copies. There is a reason the Textus Receptus was the most copied over the centuries. Alexandrian copies have one or two of the oldest, but that’s because nobody used them. How can you tell who has the most read and used Bible in a church?

    There are thousands of reasons to regard the King James Bible as the gold standard for all Bibles everywhere today. God knew that English would become the de facto international language for commerce, diplomacy, medicine, science, and almost every intellectual discipline, including, yes for a fact, hacking. Eric S. Raymond only included it in his writing on how to become a hacker because of feedback from great numbers of hackers whose native tongue was not English demanded that he include it as a requirement to be a good hacker. Excellent fluency in English is an absolute minimum requirement for all air traffic controllers at international airports and pilots of international flights in every single country in the world.

    That’s just starters. God is not the author of confusion. In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul wrote of a message in some unknown tongue in assemblies, let ONE interpret. And, that one, should be evaluated by a spiritual elder, because “Let all things be done decently and in order”.

    For more on the subject, see the materials at https://av1611.com/. A good primer on the subject is “New Age Bible Versions”, which exposes hundreds (thousands?) of verses, showing them side by side, so you can see the contrast.

    The “New Age” versions take out parts of the Bible. They skip Acts 8:37, leave it out, where Philip tells the eunuch from Ethiopia that he can be baptized if: “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God”.

    One good fruit of Gail Riplinger’s teaching is that so many of today’s “Christian pharisees” and “scribes” attack her so viciously. They use some of the CIA’s own tactics, like the use of the “conspiracy theory” pejorative.

  2. One more on this: “Certainly, Lot offering his teen virgin daughters as fare to be raped and assaulted to protect the Messengers is wicked as well.”

    Well that is certainly true, it was a wicked thing, even as he recognized the visitors as angels. It showed his lack of faith and how much he had assimilated into the culture of Sodom, even though, as Paul wrote later, he tortured his soul by staying there.

    The Biblical history tells the truth of history, warts and all. Great prophets are not presented as perfect. David sending Uriah to die to cover his adultery is in there, even though he ‘was a man after God’s own heart”, because he acknowledged himself a sinner and total dependence on the one true God above all gods. Elijah beat the prophets of Baal in the fire from heaven challenge where he made rules that tipped the challenge in their favor. They were so humiliated he single-handedly slew all 700 of them.

    But then human as he was, when he heard Oh no, Jezebel’s after me, he went to the mountains and hid for three years.

    Psalm 2, by the way, predicts today’s kings conspiring against the Lord and his anointed. They’re already burning churches in the States.

    • OH MY GOSH! Mr. Trutherator – long time no hear – I missed you!
      So, I would gander that you might be privy to the fact that the Biblical story of Lot is perhaps one of my least favorite. I take great exception to the entire account and get a bit grrred, by it. To me, it is replete with everything ugly and evil – selling his daughters is perhaps my most angst. Not a fan. I can find nothing positive in the story of LOT.

      • Hi Helena!
        Whatever you think of the story of Lot and his daughters, it is simply history. Man’s history is full of depravity and sin, starting with Adam & Eve’s first disobedience. The Bible does not pull punches like a politician writing his memoirs. All that evil you can find is man’s sinfulness.

        But we can have forgiveness and redemption by simply accepting the “rest of the story”, the glory of the one true God incarnate, son of God, “and the word was God”, and his teaching of love and forgiveness, his expiatory death taking our sins upon him who had no sin, and by conquering sin, death, and hell, proven by his Resurrection.

        God’s love is the driving force that took St. Patrick back to the land of his slave masters with the Gospel, and shamed both Ireland an d Britain into renouncing the practice of slavery, his love of Christ resulting in his personally baptizing half the population of Ireland and teaching literacy to them, his disciples carrying on generations of copying every Greek and Roman writing they could get their hands on, and saving them for us, even while Europe burned.

        The love we find in the living word of God led David Livingston to far-flung mission fields, and who became a major plague on slavers. He stopped a massacre by Arab slavers in one African village, the natives so grateful they begged him to be their king.

        Jesus went about everywhere in his life doing good. Healing people, forgiving their sins, exposing the hard hearts of the self-righteous mob that wanted to stone the adulteress. (Where was the adulterer?)

        In the Old Testament you find not just those stories that devils and haters of God and Wiccans and militant atheism proselytizers shout at us, but you find stories of redemption. Promises of the Messiah even as God expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden, Noah and family (and us) saved from he worldwide flood because he was a righteous man. Rahab the harlot redeemed by her faith, shown in her protecting the Israeli spies. Ruth the Moabite adopted into the holy Messianic lineage of Jesus’ genealogy by her faith in the God of Israel.

        Three Hebrew children, protected in the fire of the king’s furnace even as the men that threw them in expired from the heat.

        CONSIDER John Newton. So overtaken by remorse and guilt over his past slave trading after accepting Christ, and so grateful for salvation, he penned what is possibly THE greatest hymn of all time, Amazing Grace, that had even a good number of the folk singers of the 1960s recording it. He became mentor to William Wilberforce, who went on to become the most prominent figure in ending slavery throughout the British Empire.

        Where sin doth abound, there grace doth much more abound.

        This same sentiment has overtaken hundreds of thousands women in America who had their own babies killed in the womb. Much of the time it is of course under pressure from fathers, boyfriends, even husbands, but nonetheless there are still the unrepentant.

        The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. And he said “They that hate me love death”. They sure do. The diabolical rulers of this world (see Psalm 2) wreak havoc in their wars around the world, and the people of the United States, beginning at the house of God, now mostly apostate, are already suffering the judgments of God, after explicitly rejecting him in SCOTUS decisions in the 1950s and 1960s, and the murderous 1973 Roe v Wade.

        I invite you to take another look at the Bible, but steer clear of the corrupt versions. Use the King James Bible.

  3. (Sorry about that misfire in the previous reaction. See my more detailed reaction at the link below)

    Also the KJB committee was so devoted to accuracy, when they came across the description of a dinosaur in the book of Job, and they didn’t know what animal that was, they transliterated it instead of get it wrong. Whence today we have the word behemoth.
    In Nahum 2 you find a description of modern interstates in the language of the 17th century.
    In both Zechariah and Revelation you find descriptions of the effect on a person’s body of a nuclear explosion, as predicted.
    Modern versions (perversions) translate the reference to the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 13 as a “mark ON the right hand or ON the forehead”, All of them use the preposition “on”. I wonder whether they consider themselves scholars superior to the KJB committee of the generation that sired Isaac Newton, and of whom it was said they could carry on dinner conversations in ancient Hebrew and Greek.

    They used simple lexicon comparisons no doubt instead of understanding. The word “mark” signifies more like a “groove” or ditch. So the more accurate preposition was “IN” not “ON”. A big important clue today with ID2020 coming to a neighborhood near you no doubt.

    Never take an embedded chip inside. It’s a Trojan horse. Even smarter atheists are wary of it. It’s not that hard to find the evidence for what the political powers have planned. Not to mention the RNA-based vaccine that is causing havoc in human trials, making people deathly sick.

    https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/363609/posts/2969949108

    • My history with the ‘Church’ has been a bit choppy at best: My first church, the Pastor ultimately became quite cynical and narcissistic in his sermons and privately. Ultimatel, he completely bankrupted the church and left to become a realtor. The church shuttered. The next church I attended, the Pastor was booted for inappropriate messaging with a 15 year old. The third church I was labeled a heretic because I could not support ‘public humiliation’ of a 22 year old boy. I left.
      As a result I became obsessed with history as it related to societal norms, Christ and the Bible. I have read a number of ‘translations’ including KJV, but became troubled by even the term ‘version’. So I opt for the Literal Translation. My middle son is an Elder and we discuss concepts at length.
      I am NOT a proponent of vaccines, have done extensive research on vaccines and Pharma. I embrace holistic medicine as my choice. I am well aware of the implant that Gates is trying frantically to mandate. I have written about it extensively here on my blog as well as with Twitter and Facebook followers, my family and friends. It becomes a bit more difficult now that my son is taking his young children out of the country to do mission work and how to find a medium ground for them now being subject to diseases that we don’t have here any longer.
      All in All, I find your writing very beautiful and brilliant – and I take your words to heart, to let them linger a bit and absorb.
      Thank you!
      Grace,

      Helena

      • Helena,

        Thank you for your kind words.

        I’m sorry about your history with the “Church”, but how can one blame the doctrines a pastor preaches if the pastor acts totally against what he preaches? That’s like blaming holistic medicine because a doctor who advertises as “holistic” ignores things like building immunity, sunshine, vitamin D and vitamin C when he treats your infection or your cold.

        I’ve been a “victim” myself of what was obviously abuse by the local “shepherds” (as we called them in our missionary fellowship), but never doubted the ageless principles that I had learned from others there and the consistency of the doctrines taught with the Bible’s teachings.

        You don’t do that with most other disciplines, like business or industry. If you’re disillusioned with some person you did business with, you find somebody else. You got disillusioned by medical doctors who just do what they’re “supposed to do”, prescribe meds, meds, and more meds, so you found holistic medicine. That is the proper way to approach the big, important choices you make.

        I was fortunate preacher’s kid of one of the most admired Pentecostal leaders in St. Louis. You don’t judge Jesus by what Judas Iscariot did. You don’t judge Francis by the archbishop that burned down the church he built.

        I agree that the terms “version” is not the best one for the proliferation of so-called “Bibles” in English today. More like filthy lucre at work. The subject merits its own separate reply.

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